Romney was sweating and looked extremely uncomfortable. And well he should. He is out of his league in foreign affairs. Absolutely. We can't have afford to have someone like him on the world stage. My god.

Final Presidential Debate 2012 Full Replay Video & Full Transcript here

http://y.ahoo.it/dlkG3

My father, step-father, all my uncle and my two sons all military. I continue to be upset that Romney lanquished in France to avoid the service and all 5 healthy sons of his never served one single day. Not even the Guards. I don't like the hiding from the service, the hiding of money, the hiding of tax returns and the hiding of the fact he is still a shareholder of Bain. And hiding what he wants to cut.

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Hey carolo......seriously u have a problem that Romney was a missionary but where was obamas military service? Was it the army, no how about navy, no, air force, no, oh ya he didn't serve either. Look our country is a disaster and Obama has done nothing in 4 years. 16trillion in debt, no balanced budget, lower incomes' double the gas prices, trillion dollar deficit, 8% unemployment.... Should I go on! Give it up pele he is a total failure!

my Navy daughter is voting against obama, he cut their pay check in half a few months ago and took months for the pay to get back into their accounts

Scratching My Head,
How does Obama have direct control over the payments to military service men/women. My brother in the army when through something similar in June with the Army. But explain to me how that Obama, without the House of Representatives, Senate, and Military Board is the cause of the error. Or was it that Congress did appropriate pass a budget in time for the payroll for our servicemen.

You are wrong, my daughter is in the Navy. Months ago, their paycheck was cut in half and it took weeks to get the rest, thanks to this too dam big government. She is
now voting for Romney

My Navy daughter voted for obama in 2008 and will now vote for Romney.
Months ago, their paycheck was cut in half and did not get the rest for weeks.
Why ? Obama and this too dam big government ran out of money...

@scratching my head. I hate to disillusion you but it was the republicans who threw the defense cuts, that affected your family, in to get the tax breaks they wanted. http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/07/opinion/wilson-sequestration-pentagon-cuts/index.html quote unquote.. "Congressional Republicans grimaced -- and threw defense into the cauldron to protect the tax breaks." as stated in the article. So many like to blame the president for stuff their nice republican reps did by holding the country and the president hostage this whole presidency. Just vote those fools out who are coming up for reelection..they obviously did not have our interest at heart when they spent the night of day one of this presidents term planning on obstructing him . http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/25/robert-draper-anti-obama-campaign_n_1452899.html Thats who I blame. People need to check Romneys record and do research before they cast their votes or they should not bother voting. http://www.boston.com/businessupdates/2012/09/05/governor-romney-faced-similar-economic-situation-obama-with-similar-results/S2cHk3JRGn0hHRnbEFuh2M/story.html

Scratching my head,
Strangely enough there is a complete voting record of what the Congress has proposed and voted on. I understand your daughter is in the Navy, and as I said my brother is in the Army. I don't know why you felt the need to defend that your daughter was in the Navy. You are incorrect in your idea of how this government process works. Please take an American Government Class or a Civics class. Or watch the School House Rocks segment on the creation of a Bill.

No he did not

I am scratching my head also?

No need to worry about continuing your disrespect of the President and putting him down.. Romney has made sure he has this one all wrapped up. This is what you want for president and representing your country. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/keith-thomson/could-romney-linked-elect_b_2025490.html I knew he had a vested interest in the voting machines, and I believed they could be tampered with but when you see it in black and white from experts, it really hits home how low he will go to win. God help us all.

If Obama is weak, then why did Romney endorse him about 5 times?

I absolutely agree. This country has been in a mess for four years. Why should we give him another four?

You could see that strange look on Romney's face all night indicating that Romney knew that he was losing badly. Pres. Obama looked confident and with his superior knowledge on foreign policy, he talked circles around Romney. Romney spent the night mostly agreeing that Pres. Obama was doing the right thing in countries like Iraq, Afganistan, Pakistan, and Iran. Pres. Obama easily won this debate.

Romney did nothing but repeat after Obama during the whole debate. Romney hasn't a clue about foreign policy or how to govern the military. Romney would have us in another war within a year. It may be you or a loved one fighting another useless war to make rich business men richer. Romney never had to go into the military. His father sent him to France to avoid getting drafted during the Vietnam conflict. My opinion Romney looked very bad during the last debate. Obama will win the election no doubt.

if it is good why has to be different?

How much foreign policy experience did Obama have ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

With Romney as a President, there will be plenty of oil jobs

He has agreed with most of what the president has done but believes strongly in bearing arms. "Although the Obama administration has been helping Arab allies choose which opposition groups to give small arms to, it has opposed providing heavier anti-aircraft and anti-tank weapons, fearing they might fall into the hands of extremists. But the former Massachusetts governor, in a major foreign policy speech two weeks ago, said he believed the United States should help the opposition obtain such weapons." This is very disturbing if you ask me!! I fear it leading to more terrorist attacks, wars, and mass destruction. Who in there right mind would give guns to our enemies? and spend trillions on troops and the navy when it is not needed!!! WE NEED TO FOCUS ON OUR ECONOMY NOT ANOTHER FAKE WAR LIKE 1980's people wake up! were heading backwards if you vote Romney!!!

The Republican legislature stopped him from doing alot, and then bragged about being able to call him a lame duck. Too bad the majority won't be Republican after the election. Hehehe!

You must get your "news" from Fox & Limbaugh, which offer propoganda rather than news...........because you are WAY OFF BASE WITH YOUR COMMENTS. I am an Independent and I do my research. You should try it......GET THE FACTS.

Earendil,
How can one be right and the other wrong when they spent about 95% of the debate agreeing with each other. That doesn't make logical sense.

Hahahaha lololol......u r so uninformed. U nor bama can defend his record for the past 4 years on the economy, energy policy, foreign policy, domestic policy, the joke called Obamacare........need I continue. His administration is a joke. It's time for Obama to go!

Gov Romney "vetted'? Where are the tax returns for the seven years he has been running for President? You can repeat and repeat lies as Gov. Romney does but the truth will be told.

Hey carolo......seriously u have a problem that Romney was a missionary but where was obamas military service? Was it the army, no how about navy, no, air force, no, oh ya he didn't serve either. Look our country is a disaster and Obama has done nothing in 4 years. 16trillion in debt, no balanced budget, lower incomes' double the gas prices, trillion dollar deficit, 8% unemployment.... Should I go on! Give it up pele he is a total failure!

I am a Vietnam Veteran, and served because it was the right thing to do. I was not drafted into service, but there was universal service at that time.

Romney was part of my generation, but chose to get a deferment, rather than serve.

Obama's generation no longer had universal service, so you are comparing turnips to apples when you ask why didn't Obama serve.

My generation had service to perform, but Romney ducked service.

Obama, and his generation, had no service to perform.

Romney changes what he says every time he opens his mouth. A better bumper sticker would be, "If you think it is bad now, just wait and see how bad it gets if Romney is in office."

OBAMA WILL ENFORCE DEADLY ISLAMIC SHARIA LAW in USA if re-elected 20000 MURDERS! Watch 8 minute VIDEO @ TheBBCReport.com STOP HIM!

Are you upset because Obama called Romney out on some of his flip-flops? There has been so many I can't even count them all. In the first debate he told 58 million people pre-existing conditions would be covered under his plan. After the debate Romney's aide admitted that was not true but Romney sure never bothered to correct that statement.

Since Bush II invaded Iraq, my bumper sticker says "Glad I am not a Republican".

For Secrets Guru:

The Joseph Goebels News Network has reported that the US State Department has signed a treaty with the Romulans, and pledged that all white males between the ages of 18 and 65 will serve two year terms in the Blue Helmet Forces of the Romulan Empire.

On that basis Glenn Breitbart, lead anchor for Goebels, has theorized that this means that Obama will now release the five Klingons, who someone's fourth cousin in Charlston claimed are being held in Area 51, to the Gamma Sigma terrorist brigade based on the planet Alderaan.

The fact that the twelve captured Klingons, part of the Klingon invasion force which the Obama-led US Armed Forces has been unable to locate, are now being granted preferred work-visa status by Obama's left-wing Immigration and Nationalization Service, is cited by other unidentified sources as proof that socialism now exists in this country.

Once those fifty-seven Klingons receive their visas, it is expected that they will take over the public library system in the United States, thereby rendering everyone not now watching Goebels News as clueless as those who do.

Patch deleted Secrets Guru profile, now I wish that they would remove his hateful posts.

I've read comments from a lot of people from Massachusetts. They all hated him. And he didn't work with the Democratic legislature. He issued over 800 vetoes, most of which were overridden.

First of all Maranda there is no need for you to cuss (re: big f u; Bush's c.r.); second of all we all respect your views, your choice of President & how much you love him, I can honestly tell you all of us care about President Obama as a person but we don't agree with his political actions, so please respect all views & refrain from personal insults :)

Do you have all your marbles, Secrets Guru?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/18/us/politics/questions-and-answers-on-the-benghazi-attack.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/benghazi-attack-becomes-political-ammunition/2012/10/19/e1ad82ae-1a2d-11e2-bd10-5ff056538b7c_story.html

President Obama called the attack an act of terror the very next day in a speech in the Rose Garden. It's a matter of public record. Romney, on the other hand, just to try to score political points, shot his mouth off, criticizing the president on the very day of the attack, as it was occurring! That was very unpresidential and was criticized even by the staunchest conservatives. Peggy Noonan, in a Wall Street Journal interview, said that Romney looked weak.

Laurie,,,,500, PLEASE! You are sounding like a true Republican. If you have a point of contention, please make it. I hate generalizations.

Laurie and other Republicans,

Did you guys complain against GW Bush, after his leadership led to these terrible attacks on US diplomatic posts?

June 14, 2002, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Suicide bomber kills 12 and injures 51.

February 28, 2003, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Gunmen on motorcycles killed two consulate guards.

July 30, 2004, U.S. embassy in Taskkent, Uzbekistan
Suicide bomber kills two.

December 6, 2004, U.S. consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia Militants stormed and occupied perimeter wall.
Five killed, 10 wounded.

March 2, 2006, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan Suicide car bomber
killed four, including a U.S. diplomate directly targeted by the assailants.

September 12, 2006, U.S. embassy in Damascus, Syria
Gunmen attacked embassy with grenades, automatic weapons, and a car bomb. One killed and 13 wounded.

January 12, 2007, U.S. embassy in Athens, Greece
A rocket-propelled grenade was fired at the embassy building. No one was injured.

July 9, 2008, U.S. consulate in Istanbul, Turkey
Armed men attacked consulate with pistols and shotguns. Three policemen killed.

September 17, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana'a, Yemen
Militants dressed as policemen attacked the embassy with RPGs, rifles, grenades and car bombs. Six Yemeni soldiers and seven civilians were killed. Sixteen more were injured.

I didn't think so !

Alice,
By the same regard Mitt doesn't have a good record in a excutive office in a political system. As most would say he was below average as governor of Mass. The things he talks most about are part of Mass law before he was governor. He was 47 in per capa job creation. Both candidates records are questionable. To say well Romney has business experience, some of our worst presidents were great businessmen. As well as some of our best presidents were horrible businessmen.

Mitt, who grew up in the most affluent suburb in my state, Bloomfield Hills, was a bully in high school. Even his best friends from high school remember when he held a young man down and cut his hair off while calling him names. The young man was screaming for help. Mitts friends all remember this incident and are remorseful that they were with Mitt at the time and laughing at what he did. Good old Mitt said he does not remember it, but if he did it he is sorry if he did do it. As a person that was abused in middle school myself, I find Mitts answer tells me much abouut who he is. You see, my abuse happened over 50 years ago, and it affected my self-image greatly. To think that a person that inflicts abuse doesn't even remember it.....well, I just have no respect for that kind of person.

The only thing you said that I agree with is "Mitt is not perfect." Mitt is FAR from perfect. He refuses to release his tax returns for 2009. He has been, and still is, making a lot of money from companies shipping jobs overseas. He will eliminate taxes on foreign profits, which means more companies will move jobs overseas. He will undo regulations on the banks. He would be a complete disaster as president!

Obama tried to talks business when he has no idea about business. Obama sounded more like a challenger than incumbent. Romney more dignified and Obama still condescending and still interrupting and kind of lost it at times. I feel sad for you "JEFF" I guess, you're one of those people who would rather ignore OBAMA'S mistakes in the past and let him rule the country again for 4 more years than have Romney try to clean OBAMA'S mistakes.
EL Republican Florida

Exactly right, Scott.

Republicans are all in a tizzy that the economy is actually improving! They are hoping for another downturn, because it will help them win the election. Obama 2012!

Elayne,
Then if you are just worried about employment, jobs are out there. Also neither of these two candidates are really job creators on the political manner. Romney and Obama do not have stellar job creation records in the role of an executive office in our political system. But there are 10 other candidates running, and our governor who is well behind the pace he promised is up for renewal soon.

We already elected a Republican with business experience here in Florida. What we got was the disasterous Gov. Rick Scott who has been the worst Florida governor in history. Romney will do to the U.S. what Gov. Scott has done to Florida. He will favor the rich, hurt the poor, favor big businesses over the people, eliminate consumer protections, and allow his rich business friends to profit at the expense of the citizens just like Gov. Scott has done with the property insurance industry here. The people of Massachusetts don't trust Romney and neither should we.

Romney's best experience is sending jobs to China. He even outsourced state jobs when he was governor. People of Massachusetts say he was a terrible governor and Massachusetts is voting for Obama. That should tell you something.

Elayne, I'm sorry you think that Mitt is the answer. For my part, my middle child presently has a temp job and does not receive medical insurance. But because of President Obama, and his medical insurance reforms, she is covered under my employer's insurance since she is under the age of 26.

And, good news, the company at which she has been temping for several months likes her work so much that they are going to hire her full time and she will also get medical insurance from them, as well as a much better salary.

We are coming back as a nation and this life-long Republican will be voting for President Obama. My wife, also a life-long Republican, will also be voting for Obama.

It's not simply "hope" but it is most certainly change, and we are moving forward as a nation and leaving behind a five and a half year old recession, the worst since the 1930's.

Obama didn't create that, and it also didn't happen instantly, in the same way that solving the 5 1/2 year old recession is not a quick fix.

First , do you think Mitt cares about you? You're part of the 47%. Thank God somebody is in the white house who "gives a ..." to keep the food card alive, made sure workers comp was there, and lowered taxes several times to help those of us who are still holding on after Bush.
Second, if you don't have any money, you don't interest Mitt. I find it had to believe that some people didn't see the third debate with their eyes and ears, because Ol' Mitt didn't have anything to tell us. He doesn't know anything about foreign policy. He agreed with everything President Obama said. Yes, he knows how to make money for himself; that involves taking from people like you and me. He's an expert. Ask those people in Banesville? Look it up.
Third, as an educator, I don't respect anybody who would say that they would close the Depart.of Education. I saw him on film smiling and saying it; he had no problems saying it. Mitt says what he means for at least a day or two. He is a very dangerous man. Mitt and Ryan have empty heads and some people listen.
Have we all heard that Obama has managed 31 STRAIGHT MONTHS OF JOB GROWTH! A house on one side of my house was empty for years; this year under Obama, that house has a family in it. We are moving and probably faster than we think, when our situation isn't that desperate. If Mitt gets in, I'll probably join you. Elayne, if you believe in prayer, ask God to help you find a job. He still answers prayer. God bless America!

The type of business experience Romney has is in dismantling businesses in order to make huge profits for HIS INVESTORS!! He is not interested in the workers........He only cares about the money & the profit. He was not effective in producing jobs as a Massachusettes Governor nor as owner of Bain Capital........in fact he outsourced many many jobs & fired thousands of people. Personally, I do not want him running our country with that type of attitude & business experience. He stands for the wealthy. Beware. CHECK THE FACTS ! DO NOT RELY ON HIS "WORDS."

Read how he brought jobs to Mass Elayne and at what cost. You might actually be surprised. Lengthy but info near end is really telling. http://www.boston.com/businessupdates/2012/09/05/governor-romney-faced-similar-economic-situation-obama-with-similar-results/S2cHk3JRGn0hHRnbEFuh2M/story.html

these people don't know they are spelling incorrectly. somtimes it's typos, but overall the education of the american people is very poor. we look like idiots, because the majority are idiots. look at just how almost half the adult population was too stupid to see that ronmey would have been a disaster for this country. there people are the backbone of this country, but their education is very poor. we need better schools.

2 weeks to go, then a week of this is why my guy should have won. Then we can move forward.

Your commonsense comments are a delight, Mr. Harris. You are a fine representative of Republicans who are not blind to reality and who do not recognize the party now called the GOP. Many of us remember when the Republican party could be trusted to govern and had candidates who could be respected. Not now. Thank you for stating your views so clearly and reasonably.

Ed I am so proud of you. I am a democrat who has always voted for who I thought could help my state or country. I voted for Romney in Mass and Charlie Crist when I moved here. I am sickened by how the republicans aka Fox news is 24/7 on Benghazi yet no one mentions about Bush being warned twice about an attack. As a country we united behind Bush..and yes Liberals did that because we wanted to show the terrorists we were UNITED and the UNITED States of America and we stood together so they could not bring us down. Don't people realize the terrorists are winning because of all of this division along party lines and constantly talking about Benghazi? I just wish more Liberals and republicans were as open as you and would vote based on a persons record. The link for Romneys record is here http://www.boston.com/businessupdates/2012/09/05/governor-romney-faced-similar-economic-situation-obama-with-similar-results/S2cHk3JRGn0hHRnbEFuh2M/story.html Pres Obama has kept us safe from constant attacks on our country by terrorists and even if he made a mistake about Benghazi who are we to judge? No one is perfect and the fact that maybe he made one mistake, people are going to hold that against him forever? If that is your mindset I suggest you look at this http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/opinion/the-bush-white-house-was-deaf-to-9-11-warnings.html.

Lan let it go about the Planned Parenthood. Obviously you have never been to a large city to see where many use planned parenthood abortions as birth control. You may like your tax dollars going to this type of things but I'm tired of seeing it!

Brian, I taught in the inner city of Detroit for 30 years, and one thing about that culture is they do not get abortions much at all. I find your comment totally just plain MALARKY.

Dow drops 242 points

As a retired registered rep in a securities firm, my question for you is: What does a one day move in the Dow 30 have anything, whatsoever, to do with this topic.

The market moves from day to day for a variety of reasons.

For a better appreciation of market impact, look at the long range movements in the Dow, and the S & P 500, and a few other indices. My 401K, which I am living off, is a hell of a lot better today than it was when George W Bush left office.

One day? Feh!

@Allie

Always better to take a look at the poster's history. You would have seen that Cisco is an empty shell fo an account that just drops bait bombs without ever having anything to say at all.

Jack, Everything in this dumb e-mail that you received is untrue. What is true is: If a Republican doesn't believe in Planned Parenthood, they shut it down so that low income women have no access to family planning. If a Republican doesn't believe in abortion, they try to outlaw it for all women. If a Republican doesn't believe in scientific evidence like evolution, they simply deny it and then try to change the school books so that kids learn that the learn that the earth is 6,000 years old and we were created in the Garden of Eden from Adam's rib. If a Republican doesn't believe in Medicare, they simply turn it into a voucher system so that we have to negotiate with private insurers when are old, sickly, and in mental decline. If a Republican doesn't believe in the separation of church and state, they put an amendment on the Florida ballot to allow the government to fund religious institutions with public funds. It is mostly the Republicans who are the true hypocrites in this country.

You are correct, Joe C, it is irrelevant. I went through it again and only came up with two that are really accurate:

If a Republican is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation.
A Democrat wonders who is going to take care of him.

If a Republican decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.
A Democrat demands that the rest of us pay for his.

The others have nothing to do with our economic situation and that is really what we have to worry about. None of them address foreign policy so it is not applicable to this discusion.

Everything that Joe C. has mentioned DOES have economic implications......Planned Parenthood, abortion, adequate education, Medicare, and hypocritical funding from our tax dollars for religious institutions. Also, other comments made by Jack S. are unfair......in my experience, I have known Democrats to be as hard working as anyone else........since many jobs in today's world do not provide health care, some type of assistance is needed as we move thru the Great Recession created by Bush. Why this country does not have Universal Health Care is a mystery to other nations who view us as being backward.

Jack your post is right to the point! Unfortunately, reading these posts, many on here are not going to get it no matter what! We are definately on the same page. Well put!

Joe C, you don't know much about the welfare system do you? Low income women have full medical coverage. Most go to the emergency rooms and do not have primary care doctors or even use Planned Parenthood. As a matter of fact, upon producing that state medical card they don't even pay copays for service or prescriptions like the average working person with medical insurance. Many poor don't even get public assistance so there is a difference of being poor then just being lazy and entitled.

Jack, Have you taken your meds?

Ally maybe you should take a trip to Maryland and talk to many of my fellow co- workers and single mother friends who have taken pay cuts, furlough days, no cost of living raises that started 4 years ago soon as obama was elected and then Maryland elected our current Governor Martin Owe'Malleywhich made the problem worse! There's your "he will fix it needs more time" theory! I know my single working mom friends and former coworkers would share your attitude!

Brian,
And maybe you should learn to read economic trends nad BLS statistics. That show the tends starts in the 2 Quarter of 2008. So tell me how the bursting of the Credit Bubble is Obama's fault when he wasn't in office until January 2009. You timeline doesn't add up. I fault Obama for many things, but blaming him for a mess that was 30 years in the making. Through legislation by both parties. Lets see, we saw the signs this could happen in the early 80's and the bubble burst in 2008. But it is the fault of someone who didn't take office until January 2009. Make a whole lot of sense there?

Michael D, It's not just the economic mess that bothers me. I was raised in a democratic family in Baltimore which was predominantly democratic. I don't get into the Dem vs Rep Game. I vote both parties, voting for the candidate I believe is the best choice. I am voting based on what have seen first hand and experienced personally. Yes, unlike the previous administrations, the past four years have really affected my family, salary, cost of living increases and health care premiums. Based on this and my personal belief the Obama is not a US Citizen and I just personally do not like him and what i believe he stands for, I would not vote for him even if he walked on water. So, I think after looking into reasons why MLK Jr was a Republican, the past 4 years and my personal experience, I will have to go with Romney! It's great that we have a choice and can vote! Romney 2012

Brian,
Then I would also suggest looking at the 10 other candidates running for office as well. The last four years have affected a lot of things, but they were not just due to the current administration. I think the system is broke, because we as a society has allowed it to be broke. Why is the president the only office in the government not elected by popular vote. The technology is there. I disagree with the whole birther agrument, having a father born in the terriotory of Alaska while my grandfather was station there in the Air Force. Knowing the shooty paperwork that comes from territory birth certificates. As for personally not liking him, that's fine with me. You should only vote for candidates you will believe in regardless of party.

Cup of Light..........Wow...........sounds more like a Cup of Darkness in your negative & uneducated remarks. DO YOUR RESEARCH ! Do you really believe that Romney, if elected, would pursue electromagnetic cars WHEN ALL THE BIG OIL COMPANIES HAVE DONATED MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO GET ROMNEY ELECTED ? REALLY ?...........Romney owes them big time........and he certainly would not invest in any type of alternative energy because the "BIG BOYS" do not want that!

You sound like the typical Republican that has been sending me TRASH mail. They claim that Obama is the anti-christ who plans on making this a one-world nation. Of course, the people would worship him. Another claim is that he plans on backing all the Arab nations until the anti-christ arrives. Some of you Republicans just are happy to complain about the middle class, about food stamps, welfare checks, and the like. How I would love to see some of you losing your jobs and being put in the position of needing help. Your claims are off the wall!
As a retired teacher in Michigan, I have had my retirement cut twice already by my Republican governor. First, he decided we would have to pay taxes on our retirement checks...something never done before. Then he decided to double the amount we pay for our insurance to 20% instead of 10%, That's not so bad you might think. The basic problem is that when I retired, I was assured I would be making a certain amount monthly, and that amount has been cut quite a bit. Our dear REPUBLICAN governor balanced the budget on senior citizens backs!

Brian,
You left your Home State for it being a Welfare State. But by your commits it sounds like it was a welfare state for the last 4 years? If you want to fault the poor in mercedes, then maybe you need to talk about tax law which allows these "poor" people to continue that way. I know several independent businessmen who just "reinvest" in their business, so they do not need to pay taxes on their income. But you want to blame the current administration for stuff that has been going on for decades. So in 4 years we are to clean up decades of tax law, and laws that allow this will be increased by Romney's own speeches. So maybe you need to wake up. The tax law that make the middle class have a 30% burden while the lower and upper class have an average 14% burden. Do you think either of these two candidates want to fix that. Romney has already said he believes in lowering taxes on the upper class to create jobs. Worked great in 2005 right? You know companies taking in more credit and starting new companies, just to let them go belly up during the credit explosion of 2008. But you know... Obama is to blame for that as well right?
What I love about both sides, is how they see the statistics and facts through tainted glasses.

Brian, I assume you have gone door to door in public housing counting leather furniture and big flat screens as well as the Mercedes in the parking lots. Not!! I don't think you have ever been near actual public housing in your whole life. Do you personally know anyone receiving food stamps, social security, veterans' benefits? I think you and your bigoted friends sit in a bar and complain about "those people". Shame on you for believing generalizations about people you do not see. And you are totally wrong about Gov. Romney's video taped comments about the 47% who do not pay federal income taxes; they are people on social security, disabled veterans and the working poor who do not earn enough in 40 hours to pay federal taxes. I know why you would never vote for a man like President Obama, it comes through every word you say.

According to Politifact, "The number of food stamp beneficiaries had started to head upward under President George W. Bush, partly because of more aggressive efforts to get eligible Americans to apply for benefits, and partly because of changes in the rules that had the effect of broadening eligibility."

Your depiction is a pipe dream. As a RETIRED Detroit teacher, I find the picture you paint a total joke. I worked with the deprived daily. Believe me, it is the exact opposite of your claim. You might have gone after those abusing the system, but I saw the true poverty. Never would I vote for a chameleon like Romney. You need to go back to bed.

Brian Schwaab.. just some facts you may want to read before you post again. That is if you care to know the facts http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/09/19/mitt-romney-surprising-facts-pay-no-income-tax/

FLAGAL4757 I appreciate the offer to read the stats. I worked in a statistics consumed profession. Stats are often falsified or misrepresented for various reasons. I never put faith in stats and never have. I believe in what I see first hand. I don't care to read the link. but thanks anyway.

Yes, Brian, I was just a teacher....someone Republicans don't value.
Don't try to tell me I knew nothing about the community in which I taught. I was at the same school 20 years. Some of my parents had been my students.Teachers in inner cities have the role of being a substitute parent. I tried to provide not only a safe atmosphere, but clothing for the students that need it, supplies that the system never gave us, nuturing, discipline, and love. To many I was a confidant. I have attended many funerals, some weddings, and been to many of their homes. Not one of my students came to school in an expensive car. Most of my students mothers were single - they saw no social stigma in it. I did have one 12 year old student that had an abortion, and the fact that she did it was heavily frowned upon. During good times, some of the student's mothers worked 3 menial jobs to take care of their families. Once times got bad, even those jobs were not available. My heart still bleeds for how difficult it is for those families. You want to take the help they get away, simly because of some people that managed to abuse the system. I am so glad you could move away from it all - you attitude is as cold as Florida is hot.
By the way, Brian, you must not have had a good English teacher. You have a strong tendency to use run-on sentences, and some of your subjects and predicates are mismatched in number.

Judith Lundy, you are my hero. Your sensible comments are a reality-based counter to Brian's sourness. And your comments highlight the important work of teachers who keep trying year after year to help students gain knowledge and skills to earn better lives for them and their families. I lived in the Indian Village area of Detroit in 1974. I know that Brian's description of the "so called poor" is nothing like what I observed then or what I see now. Although I left teaching long ago for another career, I still remember my students' struggles. I still remember the parents who worked at two or more jobs, who took buses for more than an hour to get to those jobs. In the USA we say we value children and families; we even say we value education. We as a community just never put enough money or attention to work on ideas that will help our children or promote their education. Thank you for sharing details of your teaching career. You speak for so many of us. Obama/Biden 2012.

Brian, perhaps I missed it, but what exactly did you do for a living? Most college graduates would know how to spell "definitely."

Brian, I apologize for pointing out mistakes you made in your writing. I saw 3 mistakes in my own post. I spelled "simply' as "simly," I used the word "need when it should have been the past tense, " needed." I also should of used the plural possessive of "students" which would be "students' " in one of my sentences.
In short, I was wrong to correct you when I have not been perfect with my own grammar.
I still think you are cold-hearted. You appear to have respect only for the people you worked with, not the people you worked for.

Jean what scares me most is Romney and his son Tagg and a buddy in Bain invested in voting machines in Ohio last year. Why are they investing in voting machines.. is there some other great investment quality I don't know about besides ensuring the state that usually picks the winner votes you in?? http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/10/23/angst-about-counting-the-votes-in-ohio/ I worked in computers before I went back to school to become a nurse. There are ways to change the code in anything people and i am sure with enough money. Why do you think identity fraud is so prevalent and you hear about Banks getting hacked etc?? So if Romneys wins Ohio, it is really up to Florida which has a great many number of electoral votes at stake, to be a vote for Obama. Only then does Obama and our country have a chance to not have a repeat of the last time there was a problem with election fraud.

Brian, in an earlier post you said:

"Based on this and my personal belief the Obama is not a US Citizen and I just personally do not like him and what i believe he stands for, I would not vote for him even if he walked on water. So, I think after looking into reasons why MLK Jr was a Republican, the past 4 years and my personal experience, I will have to go with Romney!"

MLK was a Republican because, before 1964, Southern Democrats (Dixiecrats) were the racists. But when a Democratic president, Lyndon Johnson, signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which banned racial segregation, the Dixiecrats became Republicans. And that's why the southern states are red today. If MLK was alive today, I'd have no doubt that he would be a Democrat.

In addition, President Obama is a U.S. citizen. He released his birth certificate. Newspapers in Hawaii announced his birth in 1961. I think the birthers are closet racists, plain and simple.

DianeH,
Though I do disagree with the birther agrument, throwing around the racist label is just as reckless.

Wow, Brian. I taught in Detroit for 28 years. I saw everyting there was to see. There were people that could not heat their homes, people that had no electricity, kids that didn't get enough to eat because food stamps can feed little ones but not teenagers. I saw kids whose only Christmas present was the one I gave them. Jobs at the auto companies had disappeared, along with the jobs from the ripple affect of it. Most families had no cars. Drug dealers were the only ones prospering. The government was corrupt and leaders spent funding meant for the poor on themselves. These people need help. Oh, sorry you had to miss your daughter's birthdays. At least she probably had a party.

Michael, you said, "Though I do disagree with the birther agrument, throwing around the racist label is just as reckless."

No, it's not reckless. It's true. Truth is not reckless. Birtherism = racism.

DianeH,
If that is what you truly believe. Then I'm sad for you. Because that is just as close minded.

Thanks for answering the question. Brian. My father missed a lot of my birthdays serving the public too; I understood why. Perhaps your daughter did too. Sorry you feel terrible about the work you chose to do. It is not good to spend 30 years working with people you express so much contempt for. You must really feel your working life was a total waste of time and energy. I hope you find more satisfaction in your retirement. Perhaps you will have experiences that will change your mind about people.

Judith Lundy, I applaud you for teaching school,however that is all you were, just a teacher. I know many inner city school teachers some very sharp, however, outside the confines of the school building they really are clueless what goes on in the neighborhoods around them. Yes many times children are caught in the middle and do not get pick their parents or social or economic status. It is what it is and we don't make the rules, we just have to play by them.

Lynda, You have misunderstood me. I have no bad feelings on what I did. Proud of my profession. I have had the pleasure to work with some of the finest men and women out there. They are not FAKE but REAL people living and working in the REAL world. I have learned much about the human race. I have helped many people in different types of crisis. not everyone has good in them. There are good and there are pure evil and can't be fixed. There are many in need and many who not only want help but can not be helped I'm not a bigot or drinker as you implied but totally the opposite. I'm a Realist! I tell it a I see it and will say what many others think but don't have the nerve to say. It just is what it is. I don't make the rules, just live by them.

DianeH tell me you are not one of those who throw the race card in everytime someone does not agree. And no i'm not a closet racist. Realist more like it. Actually while were on that subject, I would have liked to see Colon Powell as our president. Not a racist just because I am not convinced BHO is a US Citizen. I have read and seen the copies on both sides of the argument. A citizen here has to produce certain documents for the hiring process for civil service jobs yet he was exempt for the highest office in government! I got a problem with it since I'm just a concrete thinker and often a suspicious type person never believing words over concrete proof. Had he been honest from the beginning and produced the mandatory documents as others do then fine. So as far as I'm concerned with him and his "Magic Birth Certificate", it holds as much water as the Kennedy Assasination's "Magic Bullet" theory!

Lynda, you are more than kind. Indian Village was only a few miles from where I taught! I was at Remus Robinson Middle School off of Jefferson and Dickerson. Things have really changed since the 1970's. The area surrounding Indian Village is dangerous. I just read the people living in there have hired security to help keep crime out. They also have active citizen watches. The police force is incapable of taking care of the city. In short, if there is not blood, they do not respond. My last year at Remus I witnessed it first-hand. A young man took a truck across the schools front lawn right after school chasing students back and forth with it. The police were called. They drove by the school the next day...that's it. I had my tires and wheels stolen from the school parking lot. I called the theft in, as the police would never bother to come out for something like that.
So much of Detroit is basically a ghost city..blocks upon blocks of vacant housing that have been vandalized beyond saving. 50% of the residents in the city plan on leaving. They are there because the cannot afford to go. The buses do not run on time, and it is almost impossible for residents to depend on them. Without public assistance, there would be even more crime. The city is dying, and only a few areas of it will survive. Please keep the children in your prayers.

Republicans only say that that they want a smaller government, but it is all just all talk. Republicans under Romney intend to add 2 trillion dollars in wasteful military spending that alone will explode the budget deficit. The truth is that Republicans as well as Democrats vote for wasteful government programs as long as the money goes back to their home district. Social Security and Medicare are the two most expensive programs in the federal budget. Republicans act as if only Democrats receive these benefits. Elderly Republicans that you see in places like the Villages protesting the deficit and most federal government spending would not allow the government to cut one dollar from their Social Security or Medicare benefits. Federal spending has grown whether we have had a Democratic or a Republican President or Congress. Republicans also want a larger government to enforce their religious social policies like denying women their rights to family planning and abortion. A Republican federal government may have to start building new courthouses and prisons to prosecute and imprison all of the women who get an abortion in the future. Even if Republicans talk about wanting a smaller government, it is only meaningless talk. Don't believe it.

Wow! Another expert and mind reader.
All you have to do is look back over the past four years.
Do you really think it could be any worse?
Look at what has been revealed about Benghazi today.
Look at all the broken promises, the spending, the failed "investments," the "Affordable" Care Act that increases the cost of health insurance for the 86% of us that were happy with what we had - but now it costs more.

Has never happened, will never happen - just because you can't say something positive about Obama does not mean you need to make up stuff like this about Republicans:
"Republicans also want a larger government to enforce their religious social policies like denying women their rights to family planning and abortion. A Republican federal government may have to start building new courthouses and prisons to prosecute and imprison all of the women who get an abortion in the future."

Jack and Joe C,
As someone who deals with the people who have to read and report on all threats, do not judge the entirety of the Benghazi situation until it has been properly investigated. I dissagree with how Obama handled some statements in the aftermath, but I also disagree with the politicizing of the whole situation. The people that are being hurt by the continued ignorance being thrown around (by both sides) are not running for political office. They are the ones who either losts friends and family, or those who defend our country 24/7/365. As far as investments are you telling me that those investments which totaled least than .01% of our total government revenue were the cause of our problems. I assume that no other president invested in business and failed?I think both Bush and Obama should have let the banks and GM crash, it is Free Market principles. The affordable health care act when actually put into action, which it is barely up in running will reduce over all. If you read the actual bill on the conservative and liberal media outlets. Insurance companies started raising rates before it was even voted on to surprise get more money using that as the reason. Guess what we are in a capitolistic society and they found a scapgoat to raise rates. The whole courts for religious and women's right is just so ridiculous. To do that, legislation has to be passed, president alone doesn't have that power. Both parties like big government, it's good business.

The Benghazi stuff is really growing old Jack. I can tell you must watch Fox 24/7. I actually used to watch them 4 hrs a day until hey decided to harp on this 24/7. I think what disgusts me most is the 9/11 commission found out Bush was warned two different times ahead of that horrible tragedy and he ignored it. And over 3,000 were killed and countless others injured, yet they never said a word. Sorry but that was the final straw for me, esp when Chris Stevens and Glen Doherty's parents have asked that they stop politicizing their sons deaths. You bringing it up over and over are just as ignorant and disrespectful in my opinion. These people do not need to keep hearing this day after day. Besides, even if it was a mistake and wasnt handled correctly, who are we to judge? God is the only one who should be judging. So please spare us your mightier than though attitude. Also, you say medicare is costing 86% more. I have not noticed any increase like that, but instead the usual regular increase. Maybe you should read some real facts and then you would realize it cannot go up by an arbitrary amount but goes up systematically each year just as it did before Obama's healthcare was passed. http://blogs.wsj.com/totalreturn/2012/07/06/medicare-premiums-the-rumors-return/ I have voted for both republicans and democrats and when I read comments I am looking to be enlightened with real facts to help me in my voting decision. Not someone spewing lies and hate.

FLGal if you can;t take the heat stay out of the kitchen, if you are tired of the Benghazi horror you have a choice turn off your tv, if you don't want to read about it then go to another site where everything is peachy but if you insist on staying here then better get used to it, we are going to talk about it, see the difference between us conservatives & you liberals are; we are not politicizing any of it we want to know what happened without lies & cover ups, we deserve to know this so something like this never happens again also I want to make it clear if my party did this I would be condemning them as well, nobody gets special treatment as for you denying these facts & accusing us of politicizing the murders all I can say is you are extremely wrong, how can you ignore the fact that your party really messed up, had they sent the soldiers instead of continually denying the requests they would be alive today & Obama would probably be a hero to all the voters who voted for him 4 years ago are now not voting for him, I would also like to call your attention to the following parents who lost their sons, look at what they have to say;

http://www.therightscoop.com/must-watch-parents-of-fallen-seal-team-six-member-tell-fox-news-sons-life-endangered-by-obama-administration-leaks/

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/father-of-slain-former-seal-new-report-raise/

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/tragic_ma_optimal_my_ass_wYmDf3u12EExRAoeCAsyZI

Hmm - College cost took off in 1981.
http://seattletimes.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/uwelectioneye/files/2012/06/Tuition-compared-to-income.jpg

As did healthcare cost.
http://facts.kff.org/upload/jpg/enlarge/Growth%20in%20Total%20Health%20Expenditure%20Per%20Capita,%20%20U.S.%20and%20Selected%20Countries,%201970-2008.jpg

As did our national debt.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Federal_Debt_as_Percent_of_GDP_by_President.jpg

What about our incarceration rate?
http://timenolonger.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/chart-incarceration1920-2006.jpg

What happened in 1981? Oh yeah we started a 30 year period in which republicans had extraordinary policy influence.

Vote Democratic, or don't be surprised when these numbers get worse. Did Obama raise the debt during the 2nd worst financial collapse in history, of course he did. But you can't blame him for the debt previously, and if spending and revenue were froze when he took office out debt would have increased 4 plus trillion.

And? Neither Romney or Obama can stop something like this. I like to call what we are dealing with a Global Recession. Until some of our allies can pick themselves off the mat, a lot of our bigger companies who need to export products are going to be taking hits. Zanga cut 5% of it's workforce on Tuesday. But as we all know, we like to look at the Economy in a vaccuum instead as the global economy we are in.

Jack,
I believe first I said neither Romney or Obama can stop it. You can check my quote on that. What do you believe Romney whose Business experience is as a fund manager not a job creator or account would know. Or the fact his degree is in Law not business. Romney was excellent in our political system as governor of Mass. Being 47th out of 50 in per capa job growth. He had a balanced budget, because by law he had to. Put in place before he was governor. Was a one term governor. But lets not let his political resume factor into him wanting a political job. If we were discussing him being a fund manager for a private corporation, I like Romney's resume. But in the case of political office, not really the best candidate in his own party. Not that I think Obama is the best candidate in his party either. Bush spent us into oblivion as well, so for 12 years we have been spending and spending. Yes, that is true. Maybe if we started removing all the loopholes everyone who earns and income would pay. Both Corporate and individual tax reform needs to happen. When either of these two men are honest about our economic culture/base and tax reform then I'll start to believe in them.

I agree!

Jack,
It was entirely Bush's fault, just like it isn't entirely Obama's fault. The recession is global. We can't blame either man for issues beyond their control.

correction: It wasn't entirely Bush's fault.

Funny that AARP does NOT support what you are saying. Just read it in their magazine yesterday.

Judith.........I don't know what you read about AARP.......but what I have just read on their website is that AARP supports Obamacare: "AARP Responds to Supreme Court Ruling on the Affordable Care Act. AARP is pleased that the Supreme Court found the critically important provisions of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) to be constitutional. This landmark legislation is already improving the health and financial security of our members and all Americans."
I agree with FLGAL.......Obamacare is a method that is cost-effective and provides citizens with protection from insurance company abuses. I imagine that the insurance companies are salivating at the prospect of being in the driver's seat once again should Romney be elected.

Thank you! Truth to be told I’m in my 40’s and healthy. As I have a private insurance policy, I’m not drain on the public troth like liberals.

You know why I am anti liberal, because many liberals who are on these posts always resort to name calling, bashing & personal attacks, I have been called a liar, a cheater, a paranoid schizo, been accused of twisting facts, being stupid & worst of all being a called a racist plus many other foul names just because those liberals didn't agree with my views or the factual links that I posted, when I signed up with patch my screen name was Free Spirit then when the attacks from liberals started I changed my name to GoodBye Obama Welcome Romney & the attacks continued finally I got fed up with it so for the last time I changed my name to Anti-Liberal & it will stay so now you know the reason why I chose this name.
As for your views on Fox News I believe they are fair & balanced, they report facts & CNN, Huffington Post, ABC News which have the liberal agendas best interest kept on pushing the lie blaming a stupid video for the attacks, you'll also notice the parents of murdered team chose Fox News to tell the world their heartache of losing their sons & not knowing the full story of what happened, think about that FLGal, how would you like to be in those parents position of losing your child???

As for your thoughts on 9-11-2001; here's 3 links that sheds a light on that horrible day;
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/07/29/bush-says-slow-reaction-on-911-was-deliberate-decision/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/04/september-11-schoolchildren-george-bush
That horrible day will always be a part of us, I remember that day, my family called me they were frantic about was going on, I didn't know anything about it, my tv wasn't working so I went to a hotel lobby, watched the horror, it was shocking, our reaction was disbelief but when we saw the bodies falling from WTC that's when we started crying & cried for months then tears turned to anger towards Bin Ladin, I don't know where you were but there was tons of media coverage & eleven years later the media coverage still continues...

I only listed 2 links, here's the 3rd link;
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/remembering-9-11/

Anti Liberal, I have seen so many racist and horrible comments from republicans so please its not just the liberals doing the name calling. Actually look at the comments coming from Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter etc. Its disgusting and shows no respect for our President. Dont you think the terrorists aren't eating that crap up as it shows the country being torn apart?. When 9/11 happened, no one went around 24/7 saying well was Bush warned ahead of time like we have with Obama? Instead we all rallied around him and we became united. However when the attack happened in Benghazi, before any details were out, Mitt ran on tv to take advantage of it. Even in his infamous 47% video, he talked about how if a Iranian hostage type thing happened he would jump right on it to take advantage of it. How presidential is that?? I'm sorry, if I didnt know what Mitt was capable of personally, that would have been a BIG red flag on what his motives are. What kind of man would say something like that! We should have been uniting behind our president but that would never happen as the republicans gathered on the night of his inauguration and stated that they would do whatever it took to make sure they thwarted anything he tried to accomplish thus ensuring he was a one term President. So when you want to place blame on why this country has not rebounded from the recession quickly, be sure you look at your own party beginning with Paul Ryan who was at that meeting.

You know something, I disagree with you because you lack compassion you are blaming everybody else but you won't own up to the murders which is Obama's fault, you won';t even mention the parents who lost their sons, what is it truth hurts??

Anti-Liberal,
First, Fox News is selling an agenda just like MSNBC. It is just a conservative agenda. If you don't believe me just follow their public corporate postings. Their president states they only sell about 1.5 hours of factual news in a 24 hour span. The rest is opinions that is being sold to their buyers (watchers) because that is the product they want to consume. They do not want the facts just the truths/opinion that fit their own idea of america.
Second, it's not a lack of compassion to this terrorist attacks. But a lot of people keep on bringing Libya saying they knew ahead of time. As we learned in the 9-11 report Bush knew Months ahead of time of the attacks. But we are choosing to play politics with one situation and not the other. It is very hypocritical. A lot of men and women deal with the information daily. We do not know the full story, and we won't for a while. For us to play politics with less than a quarter of the information is unfortunite. Both sides are doing it, but it is a fair point. Why play politics with one terriorist attack and not the other.

Again the attacks anti liberal.. first you think I am a liberal so you put me down, now you say I lack compassion. You don't even know me, I have worked as a hospice nurse and volunteered with hospice doing respite care. I have attended my patients funerals as I was deeply affected. So please instead of attacking people, try looking within yourself. Time and i again I have said it was a tragedy and I can only imagine what the families have gone thru. I know what families go thru during times like this as I lived in Mass during 9/11, which might have been prevented, and if you happen to remember most of the planes came out of Boston and were filled with people from there. So spare me.

Anti Liberal, next time you want to say someone lacks compassion, try looking at your own candidate. This is stance on FEMA. Mitt Romney: "Federal Disaster Relief For Tornado And Flood Victims Is ‘Immoral,’ ‘Makes No Sense At All’ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/28/mitt-romney-fema_n_2036198.html he stated in the debate he would shut down FEMA. Of course he would, as I learned down here that the rich dont even carry insurance on their mansions. One told me it was not worth it as the premiums are too high so if something happens they will just rebuild and save that money each year. So I really hope you don't need flood insurance either as I am sure since that is a gov't program, he will do away with that. So have fun putting in a claim when your home gets flooded. Yeah go ahead and vote for Romney and pray that you never need help Anti Liberal. see how you feel then!

Anti-Liberal, don't you have a job to go to, or do you spend all your time in the Doctors office.

Jack, of all that you have said, this is the only comment that I can agree with you on.

Elizabeth - Here is some information I have come across and my own personal viewpoint. First, women should keep the rights they have today, period.
The larger issue is unintended pregnancy and contraception. I say "larger issue" because if the proper actions are taken I feel abortions will be reduced.

How can someone be pro-life and not pro-contraception? You personally may or may not be pro-contraception, but I believe the main difference between our two political parties is astonishing. The data below provides very clear evidence that supplying contraception, by any means possible, helps prevent the heinous act of abortion.

Check out this report on unintended pregnancy in the US, from the Guttmacher Institute. Pay attention to the entire report, but specifically the third chart. If republicans want to reduce abortions the clear answer is contraception to the poor.
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/FB-Unintended-Pregnancy-US.html

Guttmachers Abortion site.

http://www.guttmacher.org/sections/abortion.php

Note: To the anti Guttmacher reader,
Yes, I know Guttmacher was part of planned parenthood, they split up in the seventies. Today, it is a stand alone entity and completely independent. Yes, Guttmacher still received grant money from planned parenthood (as of 2009), about 1% of their total budget. That's not a typo, one percent.

Fact: Countries without the ideological divide, free contraception, and robust education perform way better than we do, regarding abortion. That's what Guttmacher is trying to promote, fewer abortions and improved overall health.

Access to contraception and education is the key. Across the globe these are the two factors that have had the most positive impact.

This video is around 25 minutes long, but a great resource. Melinda Gates discusses providing access to contraception in the third world. http://www.ted.com/talks/melinda_gates_let_s_put_birth_control_back_on_the_agenda.html

To me this all means more evidence to vote democratic.